how did this all of a sudden happen when clinton left we had a balanced budget and a surplus and things were looking good. >> of course the romney campaign points to the rising deficit, accelerated deficit rising under president obama as compared to the george w. bush years. >> dave: from george w. bush and not free from criticism. 4.9 trillion dollar increase in the nation's debt. but here we are three years into the obama presidency talking 5.36 trillion dollar increase in our nation's debt. that's pretty simple to fact check. i'm surprised joe biden continues to bait those fact checkers, with statements like that. that's a pretty-- that's a slam-dunk. >> alisyn: because people don't listen to his speeches with the calculator out and listen with their guts and resonates. they have been saying the same thing for the better part of almost four years so it must be working on the campaign trail with them. >> dave: and doing some hypnotizing before that. stare into the pen. >> alisyn: all right. let's get to your headlines, because, to tell you about right now. there was another insider at